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 Post subject: Stronger melee ?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:42 am 
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Something interesting thats happened which took me a while to notice is that the 'lethality' factor for melee has been improved across the board by a tiny amount.

I'd not checked but I would tend to agree, it feels a bit more "melee" even though the shooting stats are higher.

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 Post subject: Re: Stronger melee ?
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Something interesting thats happened which took me a while to notice is that the 'lethality' factor for melee has been improved across the board by a tiny amount.

I'd not checked but I would tend to agree, it feels a bit more "melee" even though the shooting stats are higher.


The factor in the stats file has generally gone from 0.7 to 0.8 (some cases up to 0.9). I don't know what this means in absolute terms, doesn't seem like a lot, but maybe each 0.1 is significant.

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Oh, don't sound like much but must make a difference.

Did you see the post a few above here, re the price change not making any difference to the number of artillery units in a lobby game ?.

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Before update : I take 4x12 pdr and 8 Line, total cost was 4x600 and 8x400 making 5600 florins for those 12 units, the other 8 could be anything.

Now after the update : I take the same 8 Line and 4 artillery and the cost is the same as the artillery are 400 florins more (+100x4 each), but the Line is 400 florins less (-50x8 each) so overall there's no change.

So in my average army I will still get the 4x12 pdrs in my 20 units without having spent any extra money overall.


Odd, no ?.

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 Post subject: Re: Unit pricing "error" ?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:21 am 
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I think the unit prices of artillery and infantry make no real difference.

An example :

Before update : I take 4x12 pdr and 8 Line, total cost was 4x600 and 8x400 making 5600 florins for those 12 units, the other 8 could be anything.

Now after the update : I take the same 8 Line and 4 artillery and the cost is the same as the artillery are 400 florins more (+100x4 each), but the Line is 400 florins less (-50x8 each) so overall there's no change.

So in my average army I will still get the 4x12 pdrs in my 20 units without having spent any extra money overall.

If the idea was to make artillery more expensive so have more less of it in the line up it won't work.


It will affect those nations who have to pay 750 or 800 for their 12's. I would expect less light/speciality troops in nations like france and russia who still have pretty cheap artillery (more expensive than before, but still pretty cheap). For france in particular, I'd expect to see a single unit of old guard or middle guard start to appear because if you don't buy in 4x 12's you will have a -lot- of extra cash (say you get 2x instead, you will be able to buy in 2x line and still have a wad of change left).

Also the subtle change is that your specific line up might look the same, but other players will possibly change theirs due to costing and this might affect you. If you buy 4x12's and others buy 2x or even none and go for well chosen line units with elite units to back them you might find that their numbers will overwhelm your artillery superiority. Not likely to be as pronounced with the standard game, but I've definitely seen this type of self balancing with the CB mod.

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Yes, it may make people pick a different line up, it may well do, I agree.

My point was if you always had 4x12pdrs this change is price (regarless of Faction) is not going to make it any harder to still have the same 4x12pdrs, you don't have to give up anything in order to still get them - as you get the "cash back" from the Line troops.

I'm happy with it whatever............

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Gunner24 wrote:
Yes, it may make people pick a different line up, it may well do, I agree.

My point was if you always had 4x12pdrs this change is price (regarless of Faction) is not going to make it any harder to still have the same 4x12pdrs, you don't have to give up anything in order to still get them - as you get the "cash back" from the Line troops.

I'm happy with it whatever............


Yes, for you, probably me too, not a lot of change in the lineup I suppose.

I guess the decision to buy in a line regiment or maybe a grenadier or voltigeur becomes more distinct (perhaps). Militia are essentially free - you've got to decide if they are worth taking up a unit slot given that line are so cheap....maybe better getting the line unit.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see what sort of OOB's are perceived to give the battlefield wins. Have to wait a few weeks to get the shakedown on that I suppose.

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